Firstly I would like to approach the argument presented in the original status - that somehow tutorials undermine professional instructors and take business away from them; which will somehow result in no need for instructors. Anyone else laugh a bit at that? Sorry but seriously. This reeks of a lack of understanding about the internet and the role is plays in the business world today.
Point 1: You can find tutorials for just about anything online, and have been able to since day one, but we don't see whole professions going out of business because of it. Yoga videos are widely available, short tutorials or whole classes, and yet yoga classes are still popular and busy. The reasons for this? A tutorial cannot provide you with what a class can; the expertise of an instructor, the instructor themselves, the social aspect of a class, the safety of a spotter and crash mats and a structure in which to learn things. There will always be people who value this. Personally I attend classes and workshops with people I adore, people who inspire me, and they can give me so much more than just a breakdown of a move.
Point 2: Many people use tutorials alongside classes. I find the most helpful tutorials are dance, stretching or strength training based. Depending on the type of class you attend you may miss out on some of these elements. Also personally I got to a point as a pole dancer where I felt I had an understanding of what my body could achieve and what was safe to try by myself and what needed me to take a trip to the studio and ask for help. I know my body better than anyone and I find it quite patronising that some of the instructors commenting in this debate decide that only they know what is best for an individual learning pole. Yes, through your training and experience you may have a better idea but the fact is you are not that person. On top of that I know plenty of instructors who are appalling and really shouldn't be teaching others but they are. In other cases I have been told how to do something by an instructor and found that it simply does not work for me - though it may work for themselves and other students. We are all different, students and instructors. For some people self teaching just works best.
Point 3: For some of the people who make these tutorials they are a part of their bigger business model. They may offer free tutorials but charge for other services. Just because these individuals have a business model that is different from yours does not make it wrong. If you like to stick to the traditional then go for it! When the post popped up some of my first thoughts were- uh oh what would Dirdy Birdy and Marlo Fisken think of this? Luckily I was not left to wonder as Dirdy Birdy/Anh Le shared her opinion.
However, we have to acknowledge some of the negatives. Pole dancing is dangerous and should be taken seriously. Where tutorials are widely available there is always the risk that someone will hurt themselves trying something they probably shouldn't - however they could just as easily do this just from watching videos of competitions. On top of that video makers may leave themselves open to legal action if they do not have a disclaimer that states the dangerous nature of the activity.
And lastly....Robyn Rooke makes a very good point:
Regardless I don't think tutorials are the enemy; peoples attitudes are. Those of us who make and watch tutorials love them for a reason - they are damn helpful and allow us to take some control over our own learning - and many of us are always pouring our hard earned cash in to classes, workshops, competitions and merchandise. Is it asking so much to want to enjoy the odd free tutorial that people so happily provide?
-Bex.
Thanks so much for sharing this debate and your thoughts on it! I had no idea these types of feelings about tutorials were happening. As someone who did take classes and found it didn't work for them. I did turn to the online pole world for guidance. However I still pay for my online lessons, have purchased pole dancing DVDs, attend paid workshops and recently went to Pole Expo. I will always want to get lessons from those with great skills. There are fabulous teachers and when I have the option I will of course pay them! I also choose to support wonderful pole artists by buying their merchandise.
ReplyDeleteI think there are many ways to make a living off the pole world and the different business models being used by many are just that, different. Neither one is better then the other.
I agree with you, I really don't feel that online pole tutorials will ever replace classes. They are a great compliment to them though.
Thanks for your input Kiki! I didn't know you did originally take classes, I would be so interested to hear why personally it didn't work for you! Totally agree with everything you've said. I've spent tonnes on pole dancing so I hardly feel guilt for watching a few tutorials!
Deletefeel free message me any-time you want to talk :) I'm always happy to share my experiences
DeleteKrissy, you should blog about them! I would love to read it. I just recently met an instructor who wants to give me private lessons (which will cost a fortune, btw.) but im not sure if i have a good feel about it.
DeleteI have posted a bit about my experiences already on my blog :)
DeleteI actually use tutorials in my classes. I am only a beginner instructor and try to keep my classes mostly beginner. However, if a more advanced student stops in, I am trained to spot them in advanced moves. If they want to learn something I can't teach, I will happily pull up a tutorial and we will walk through it (within reason, I'm not going to talk someone through a spatchcock, of course). I can see how someone who only makes money teaching classes might be offended by free tutorials, however, with advancing technology, in-studio instructors will either need to learn how to adapt or become extinct.
ReplyDeleteI really love this because at an instructor course a while back we were told that it is a-okay to only teach beginner classes if that is all you are comfortable with but I have yet to meet anyone who does, so that's really interesting to me! Is there a reason you primarily teach beginners? I do love that you're able to help those who are more advanced too. xo
DeleteReblog this on poletroupe! it was awesome! I am without a doubt a believer in self learning. Pretty much everything I have ever wanted to learn, I have taught my self by utilizing the resources available to me. I believe hoarding knowledge is coming from a place of lack mentality. the idea of "I dont have enough, money is scarce, too much competition, etc." But what i truly believe, is that when you provide people with value, the money simply comes. you will attract it to you by the means of simply creating. Emotioncatchers for example, started out making tutorials and now has her own studio. She provided people with quality, got their attention, and now has a client base all over the world who are willing to travel just to attend a class or workshop with her. Passion triumphs fear. And I am fairly certain Amber Ray is actively creating a reality of tutorials replacing her, simply because she believes they will.
ReplyDeleteThanks hun! Some people are really good at teaching themselves, my boyfriend can teach himself almost anything using the internet - it is insane. Most the majority of us do need that extra help but who are we to decide what an individual can or cannot do? Thank you for the feedback xo
DeleteGreat post! I also did not realize that there was such a debate going on. I personally did not like the idea of tutorials when I first started. Even now, I am still weary of my fellow students who watch tutorials then come to class to practice the move. I've noticed that many tutorials often don't cover the fine points. For example, proper contact points (which are not always obvious but always very important), whether to hook at the foot or ankle, etc, etc. And I see this when friends come to class and execute a move, but are not stable or safe because they do not know these things.
ReplyDeleteHowever, I love going home and pulling up tutorials for moves I didn't quite get into or can't remember how to get into. It also never occurred to me that some people do much better self-taught. I agree that people who don't have access to a studio or who don't have the means to pay for classes shouldn't be told that they can't pole dance because of it.
So, again, thank you for sharing your opinions! It really got me thinking and I hope it does so for others.
I think as individuals, instructors and students, we need to be careful but personally I think a bad instructor is a thousand times worse than a bad tutorial. Thank you for the input! xoxo
DeleteI have to say the point I made was not 'are tutorials good or bad' but FREE tutorials take money away from me. Unfortunatly I see students that think they can ship ahead and learn moves I feel are too hard for them via online videos. I realize that this can never be stopped, I would like to see the talent behind said videos at least be compensated for their free knowledge. It may not effect the talent currently, but I'm sure this is making it hard for poleamdaerial.com to keep their business afloat.
ReplyDeleteYes, the point you made was that but the discussion that followed covered a whole base of points. I disagree that anyone is taking business from you - specially via free tutorials as you cannot get from a tutorial what you get from a class. If you are comparing your classes to tutorials then that is worrying and your business model is flawed. You have to offer your students an experience at a price they are happy to pay, this is a luxury product, not a necessity. Poleandaerial may struggle to keep afloat as the vast majority of pole dancers go to classes and will not pay for tutorials on top of that as they don't need them. Those who self teach probably get good use from it but they are a very small number. They may also be doing really well, who knows. That is their business model. No one owes you business. It is your job to bring people in.
DeleteFantastic post on an interesting topic, thank you. I think people should be able to post tutorials (even for free) because there is still an extreme need for someone who can correct your form and tell you what you need to do differently. People feel compelled to share tutorials to help each other move forward.
ReplyDeleteOf course, no one can replace an instructor and I feel that for the vast majority of people tutorials aren't. Most use them alongside classes. Thank you for commenting!
DeleteI am a pole studio owner and instructor for over 9 years now. I agree with the original post, I see free tutorials as a form of undercutting classes, same as performers who undercut other performers by offering their services for free. Yes, students will still come to class for the one-on-one attention, but they may not come as often or don't come along to additional workshops, so yes it can and does affect our business.
ReplyDeleteI am also an instructor and I have to say no one owes anyone a living. You are running a business it is your job to make sure people are getting value for money and if they are then they'll continue to return. The pole world really needs some business lessons. If you are threatened by free tutorials or people who perform for free (usually getting experience - who are not of a professional level) then you need to look at what you're doing and check you're offering the level of service you actually think you are. People will always pay for quality.
DeleteI do apologise for my bluntness before but no one has brought anything new to the discussion I have not already covered!
DeleteI take a weekly class and watch tutorial/competition videos. I find that sometimes seeing something again between classes helps me to get the move down while in class. BTW, I wouldn't trade my class time for anything. My teacher is awesome, my classmates are funny, and the value of having someone else watch you do a move to find where you're making a mistake is something you can't get from a video.
ReplyDeleteThank you for your input!
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